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	<title>Comments on: Interactive Whiteboard Debate</title>
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		<title>By: sandra</title>
		<link>http://blog.brettmoller.com/2007/09/01/interactive-whiteboard-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-12974</link>
		<dc:creator>sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a link to a study that may be of interest on this subject:  http://www.math.unipa.it/~grim/21_project/21_brno03_Miller-Averis.pdf

The insertion of technology such as whiteboards will require new teaching methods to realize their greatest potential.  As they are developed as a tool, however, I believe that there will be more information on how to get the most from them in the classroom.  As the article states, &quot;use of IAW&#039;s is still in its infancy&quot;.  

I work for a vendor of IAW&#039;s.  We do not condone a &quot;whole school&quot; scheme and it is against our beliefs to sell boards without training in both the hardware usage and curriculum training.  Our schools actively request teachers to tell them whether or not they would use the boards.  Those that are comfortable with their existing methods of delivery are not required to change, but those that wish to use them are encouraged to do so and give feedback on their methods of incorporation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a link to a study that may be of interest on this subject:  <a href="http://www.math.unipa.it/~grim/21_project/21_brno03_Miller-Averis.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.math.unipa.it/~grim/21_project/21_brno03_Miller-Averis.pdf</a></p>
<p>The insertion of technology such as whiteboards will require new teaching methods to realize their greatest potential.  As they are developed as a tool, however, I believe that there will be more information on how to get the most from them in the classroom.  As the article states, &#8220;use of IAW&#8217;s is still in its infancy&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I work for a vendor of IAW&#8217;s.  We do not condone a &#8220;whole school&#8221; scheme and it is against our beliefs to sell boards without training in both the hardware usage and curriculum training.  Our schools actively request teachers to tell them whether or not they would use the boards.  Those that are comfortable with their existing methods of delivery are not required to change, but those that wish to use them are encouraged to do so and give feedback on their methods of incorporation.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://blog.brettmoller.com/2007/09/01/interactive-whiteboard-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-12822</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Foden - I don&#039;t think Rob is planning on &quot;forcing&quot; any opinion on anyone.  The idea here was simply to question the investment.  You are right I have expressed my opinion and asked the questions of the &quot;IWB&quot; advocates.  But at the end of the day NO ONE has been able to present any credible research or evidence that these tools are worth the investment they require.  The very  thought that these boards are interactive is crazy.  I fail to see how these tools engage the learner and create an interactive experience for the learner.  Interactive for the teacher - maybe.  But it is just enforcing old teaching habits that we all agree need to be expelled from teaching - not encouraged with technology. These devices are attractive to older teachers who are keen to go back to their old familiar ways of lecturing while somehow being able to fool everyone and declare that they are using technology and connecting with their students.  I am sorry but that is utter rubbish and too many administrators are being fooled by these devices - Oh goody we all now use technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foden &#8211; I don&#8217;t think Rob is planning on &#8220;forcing&#8221; any opinion on anyone.  The idea here was simply to question the investment.  You are right I have expressed my opinion and asked the questions of the &#8220;IWB&#8221; advocates.  But at the end of the day NO ONE has been able to present any credible research or evidence that these tools are worth the investment they require.  The very  thought that these boards are interactive is crazy.  I fail to see how these tools engage the learner and create an interactive experience for the learner.  Interactive for the teacher &#8211; maybe.  But it is just enforcing old teaching habits that we all agree need to be expelled from teaching &#8211; not encouraged with technology. These devices are attractive to older teachers who are keen to go back to their old familiar ways of lecturing while somehow being able to fool everyone and declare that they are using technology and connecting with their students.  I am sorry but that is utter rubbish and too many administrators are being fooled by these devices &#8211; Oh goody we all now use technology.</p>
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		<title>By: Foden</title>
		<link>http://blog.brettmoller.com/2007/09/01/interactive-whiteboard-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-12798</link>
		<dc:creator>Foden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob!  Don&#039;t use all this to force your own position - everyone needs to make up their on mind and all this is not the only &#039;right&#039; answer - it is opinion!!!   Let the staff know this is here and they can read it - remembering that it is opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob!  Don&#8217;t use all this to force your own position &#8211; everyone needs to make up their on mind and all this is not the only &#8216;right&#8217; answer &#8211; it is opinion!!!   Let the staff know this is here and they can read it &#8211; remembering that it is opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://blog.brettmoller.com/2007/09/01/interactive-whiteboard-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-11588</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is brilliant - and so many responses!  You have hit a nerve here with all the folk that have been pushing this stuff for far too long.  Now I can go back to some of my staff and let them know that it is not just me the &quot;old guy&quot; believing this technology is not worth the investment that needs to be made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is brilliant &#8211; and so many responses!  You have hit a nerve here with all the folk that have been pushing this stuff for far too long.  Now I can go back to some of my staff and let them know that it is not just me the &#8220;old guy&#8221; believing this technology is not worth the investment that needs to be made.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://blog.brettmoller.com/2007/09/01/interactive-whiteboard-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-9053</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett - just searched Amazon for the book, and it didn&#039;t turn up - maybe it is not published in the US yet?

Also, there was a study done in England about whiteboards, and I like the distinction they made in the name: &quot;electronic whiteboards&quot; or EWB, because they say, and I agree, the interactivity is in the use - there is no interactivity built into the board itself.  That fits with your frustration, and some of the comments from teachers who do see a fit for it in the spectrum of tools available to both teacher and students.  One of the uses that I find intriguing that doesn&#039;t get mentioned that often is capturing notes developed during group sessions.  I know you can do it with a computer as well, but there is something about seeing it on a bigger surface that seems appealing.  And, often these sessions would otherwise be conducted using easel pads - that&#039;s great, except after the session someone then has to transcribe everything, and often the notes just don&#039;t capture the visual aspect.  If I capture what was on the whiteboard, I can then send it as a PDF to those who were there, and those who could not attend, and they should be able to figure out the results of the discussion.  Just some thoughts ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett &#8211; just searched Amazon for the book, and it didn&#8217;t turn up &#8211; maybe it is not published in the US yet?</p>
<p>Also, there was a study done in England about whiteboards, and I like the distinction they made in the name: &#8220;electronic whiteboards&#8221; or EWB, because they say, and I agree, the interactivity is in the use &#8211; there is no interactivity built into the board itself.  That fits with your frustration, and some of the comments from teachers who do see a fit for it in the spectrum of tools available to both teacher and students.  One of the uses that I find intriguing that doesn&#8217;t get mentioned that often is capturing notes developed during group sessions.  I know you can do it with a computer as well, but there is something about seeing it on a bigger surface that seems appealing.  And, often these sessions would otherwise be conducted using easel pads &#8211; that&#8217;s great, except after the session someone then has to transcribe everything, and often the notes just don&#8217;t capture the visual aspect.  If I capture what was on the whiteboard, I can then send it as a PDF to those who were there, and those who could not attend, and they should be able to figure out the results of the discussion.  Just some thoughts &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: An Expat Educator in Asia &#187; The right tool for the job</title>
		<link>http://blog.brettmoller.com/2007/09/01/interactive-whiteboard-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-8463</link>
		<dc:creator>An Expat Educator in Asia &#187; The right tool for the job</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 03:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] great but slightly controversial post was made by Brett Moller who questioned the whole concept of IWB [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] great but slightly controversial post was made by Brett Moller who questioned the whole concept of IWB [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Goree</title>
		<link>http://blog.brettmoller.com/2007/09/01/interactive-whiteboard-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-8319</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Goree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 02:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks,

There IS an IWB out there for $500 (or less).  It&#039;s called a wireless tablet.  Every IWB vendor sells one to &quot;go with&quot; their IWB.  The thing is, it provides all of the functionality of an IWB except for the ability to physically write on the board itself, which can be considered a problem for teaching anyway for all the reasons above (stationary teachers = bad).  With the wireless tablet, all you need is the computer connected to a display device - no IWB necessary.

I totally agree with the idea that test scores don&#039;t matter, and that learning does.  I also agree with the idea that the teacher as the primary source of information in the classroom has gone by the wayside.  However, there are great uses for these devices in the sub $500 range.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks,</p>
<p>There IS an IWB out there for $500 (or less).  It&#8217;s called a wireless tablet.  Every IWB vendor sells one to &#8220;go with&#8221; their IWB.  The thing is, it provides all of the functionality of an IWB except for the ability to physically write on the board itself, which can be considered a problem for teaching anyway for all the reasons above (stationary teachers = bad).  With the wireless tablet, all you need is the computer connected to a display device &#8211; no IWB necessary.</p>
<p>I totally agree with the idea that test scores don&#8217;t matter, and that learning does.  I also agree with the idea that the teacher as the primary source of information in the classroom has gone by the wayside.  However, there are great uses for these devices in the sub $500 range.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://blog.brettmoller.com/2007/09/01/interactive-whiteboard-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-8283</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Graham,

Agree with you on this one...  In fact if the IWB was as cheap as you suggest then I would say GO FOR IT!!  I can see a use for them in some aspects of some lessons.  Once again you are right as far as the teacher training and skills / pedagogy goes - I agree 100% that no tool is going to work if we don&#039;t have the training and sound pedagogical thought as its foundation.  After some research some years ago on the impact of 1 to 1, the trend for success seemed to be slow, gradual implmentation with massive amounts of time for planning, training and PD.  The 1 to 1 programs that failed (and there were plenty) rushed it and went off and implemented it right through the school with little to no thought of possible implications.... this then left teachers with no choice but to run typing classes.

Your post here makes perfect sense to me - I just don&#039;t observe any IWB vendor or organisation reccomending such a path for schools.  The fact is the price is still right up there and if we all have budgets to look after shouldn&#039;t we be spending a great deal of time on research and recieving appropiate advice from many different sources....  This leads me to my final point here - Schools just don&#039;t share enough, why can&#039;t we have a conference on edtech where each school has to share their greatest success and their greatest stuff up!!  That would be a truly educational conference - Get rid of the corporate sponsors and the fancy dinners and catering and simply hold a conference where we all bring a packed lunch and discuss these things in an open forum.  A forum where the vendors nick off for a while and we invite folk who have done the research and schools that have done great things and not so great things.  I think I may be dreaming.......  But I shall continue to dream....  How about a barby at my place one weekend?!!?!  :)  Bring your own Snags!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Graham,</p>
<p>Agree with you on this one&#8230;  In fact if the IWB was as cheap as you suggest then I would say GO FOR IT!!  I can see a use for them in some aspects of some lessons.  Once again you are right as far as the teacher training and skills / pedagogy goes &#8211; I agree 100% that no tool is going to work if we don&#8217;t have the training and sound pedagogical thought as its foundation.  After some research some years ago on the impact of 1 to 1, the trend for success seemed to be slow, gradual implmentation with massive amounts of time for planning, training and PD.  The 1 to 1 programs that failed (and there were plenty) rushed it and went off and implemented it right through the school with little to no thought of possible implications&#8230;. this then left teachers with no choice but to run typing classes.</p>
<p>Your post here makes perfect sense to me &#8211; I just don&#8217;t observe any IWB vendor or organisation reccomending such a path for schools.  The fact is the price is still right up there and if we all have budgets to look after shouldn&#8217;t we be spending a great deal of time on research and recieving appropiate advice from many different sources&#8230;.  This leads me to my final point here &#8211; Schools just don&#8217;t share enough, why can&#8217;t we have a conference on edtech where each school has to share their greatest success and their greatest stuff up!!  That would be a truly educational conference &#8211; Get rid of the corporate sponsors and the fancy dinners and catering and simply hold a conference where we all bring a packed lunch and discuss these things in an open forum.  A forum where the vendors nick off for a while and we invite folk who have done the research and schools that have done great things and not so great things.  I think I may be dreaming&#8230;&#8230;.  But I shall continue to dream&#8230;.  How about a barby at my place one weekend?!!?!  <img src='http://blog.brettmoller.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Bring your own Snags!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Wegner</title>
		<link>http://blog.brettmoller.com/2007/09/01/interactive-whiteboard-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-8272</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Wegner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett, as one who has pontificated on &lt;a href=&quot;http://gwegner.edublogs.org/category/interactive-whiteboards/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this topic&lt;/a&gt; far more often than is necessary (40 posts at last count) and been responsible for the implementation IWB program at my school, I have some sympathy for your views. I think that one of the issues is that the IWB technology is quite pricey and for many schools, buying into this technology does mean having to give up on other options. The ideal world would be where an IWB is one of an array of technology options in the classroom accessed and used when appropriate. And in the primary school sector where I work there is legitimate need for the use of the IWB for explicit teaching - skillful use in this manner gets the students on track and interacting with the new concept or idea a lot quicker. Access to laptops is one of the needs we&#039;ve identified in our middle school classes and I see that the two technologies complement each other. But it is all totally tied back to the teacher and how they implement technology in their classroom. I can see that a 1:1 program could be just as bad as the IWB teacher with instructivist tendencies if all the laptops were used for was typing up notes and essays or using drill and kill software. Skillful teachers will use any technology available to add value to their learning program - personally, the web connection and the data projector are the most valuable components. That still makes presentation technology a valuable asset for a classroom - would you be so anti-IWB if they were $500 a pop? 
And just so you know where I&#039;m coming from - any school that rolls out IWB&#039;s in every classroom at once is either rolling in money or asking for trouble. So many tools (I&#039;m talking laptops, ipods, anything) are implemented without the investment in teacher training (skills and pedagogy). That is quite often the reason you don&#039;t see the improvement in student learning - you can&#039;t always blame the technology!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett, as one who has pontificated on <a href="http://gwegner.edublogs.org/category/interactive-whiteboards/" rel="nofollow">this topic</a> far more often than is necessary (40 posts at last count) and been responsible for the implementation IWB program at my school, I have some sympathy for your views. I think that one of the issues is that the IWB technology is quite pricey and for many schools, buying into this technology does mean having to give up on other options. The ideal world would be where an IWB is one of an array of technology options in the classroom accessed and used when appropriate. And in the primary school sector where I work there is legitimate need for the use of the IWB for explicit teaching &#8211; skillful use in this manner gets the students on track and interacting with the new concept or idea a lot quicker. Access to laptops is one of the needs we&#8217;ve identified in our middle school classes and I see that the two technologies complement each other. But it is all totally tied back to the teacher and how they implement technology in their classroom. I can see that a 1:1 program could be just as bad as the IWB teacher with instructivist tendencies if all the laptops were used for was typing up notes and essays or using drill and kill software. Skillful teachers will use any technology available to add value to their learning program &#8211; personally, the web connection and the data projector are the most valuable components. That still makes presentation technology a valuable asset for a classroom &#8211; would you be so anti-IWB if they were $500 a pop?<br />
And just so you know where I&#8217;m coming from &#8211; any school that rolls out IWB&#8217;s in every classroom at once is either rolling in money or asking for trouble. So many tools (I&#8217;m talking laptops, ipods, anything) are implemented without the investment in teacher training (skills and pedagogy). That is quite often the reason you don&#8217;t see the improvement in student learning &#8211; you can&#8217;t always blame the technology!</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://blog.brettmoller.com/2007/09/01/interactive-whiteboard-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-8265</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 06:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Margo,

I was a last min ring in - I met you briefly on the Thursday with Paul...  Ring any bells?  :-)  I was the good looking one!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Margo,</p>
<p>I was a last min ring in &#8211; I met you briefly on the Thursday with Paul&#8230;  Ring any bells?  <img src='http://blog.brettmoller.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   I was the good looking one!!</p>
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